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Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:42:00 - [1] Originally by: Antic only problem i have with NOS is that its a weapon system that has no penalities at all for shooting at targets below its intended size. Large NOS destroying frigates may not be a good idea. But right now its the only real defence some BS pilots have against frigates due to the state of intys. They just boosted drones bigtime, and prescisions missiles blow frigates into next week. So don't sing THAT tune. And I'm still in favour of NOS being less effective vs smaller targets (i.e. 100 energy BS nos, would do 100 to BS, 75 to crusiers, 50 to frigs and 30-35 to interceptors) Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.04 21:03:00 - [2] Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 04/01/2006 20:48:11 I'd say just give it tracking like a turret. My real beef is really just that the smaller and med nos's aren't really that effective. In particular the small nos are all but useless due to poor performance and limited high slots on frigs. "Like a turret" is my beaf with doing that - there's enough items where transversal is important. But, we don't need to stick to the generic nos we have today either. let's have some longer range ones, some nasty short-range ones for larger ships and even a mixed neut/nos module... Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.04 22:18:00 - [3] Originally by: Zed Nash There IS defense, quit insisting there isn't. Nos doesn't kill you, it just makes it easier to. There's still the whole damage thing that has to occur. Fitting Nos is reducing damage, often fitting Nos is gimping damage due to the high reqs for the mod. Is it handy for PvP? Yeah, it's wonderful, if you can get in range, if your opponent doesn't fit some decent EW mods, if they're a non-missile/drone user, if you're dead before you get a couple cycles, or if they don't have Nos of their own. A lot of "if"s in that statement......... And IF you're both in BS. I have issue with its BS-BS performance, note. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.06 13:48:00 - [4] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 06/01/2006 13:51:18 Originally by: Wolverine PL Im tired of that wining, All of this goes to one - make uber killing machines from frigs. You want to kill bs in frig? This is INSANE. Frig singular? No. Kill? No. Multiple frigs TACKLE a BS? Yes. Tar om, you have a multitude of tools and just because you are, apparently, incompetent at PvP does not mean that they do not exist. (Frigates MUST be specalised, BS MAY be but they can carry many secondaries too). Everything should be a tradeoff in terms of value of fitting. Nos are not currently a tradeoff for closer-ranged battleships. Period. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.06 20:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Destructor1792 There is nothing wrong with NOS, and never has been - you don't wanna be drained by it?? Stay out of it's range then So you do not think that small ships should be able to tackle. Noted. You know that's one of their main as-designed roles? Quote: And what about energy Neutralisers whilst we're on the subject - may as well Nerf them to!! Neuts are fine. Why? Because they are a tradeoff. They are powerful but limited (since they also kill your cap). Nos are a swiss army knife in comparison to the Neut's hatchet blade. Quote: And you've abviously never heard of EW?? Try using that is you're that worried about getting Nos'd What EW will maintain my cap when hit by a nos? I'd like to hear about it. (and incidently, it must also be a viable fitting for every close-range frigate). Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.06 21:17:00 - [6] Assuming no drones, no smaller guns, no missiles, no smartombs and no half-a dozen other counters and no friends, IF the frigate can beat the tanking ability of the BS (which in itself is highly doubtful) and there will be no-one else joining the fight in the 5+ minutes it will take. IF. IF you screw up that badly in a BS, you DESERVE to die. And this topic is about nos, not about BS. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.06 23:17:00 - [7] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 06/01/2006 23:17:46 Originally by: Wrayeth Hey, I'm going to ignore what you said and go on about BS again! Yes, you suck at flying BS. We KNOW. You are unable to use light drones (which catch even MWDing interceptors). And you have failed to try them since RMR, given the extreme boosts they have recieved (you can now get over 250% of their old performance). You are unable to use presision missiles (which WTFp0wn frigates) You fail to understand that 20km scramblers GULP the cap which frigates do not have much of, and the 7.5km ones force them to close into web and often (given clever movement) startbomb range. And note I am NOT proposing that nos not be able to affect frigs/ceptors, I am suggesting that they take a few cycles more (a Nos which does 100 to a BS doing 50 to a frig and 30-35 to a ceptor). 2 heavy nos will take a cycle longer to drain it, ohnoes. Not something which will be ANY sort of a deal with a solo interceptor. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.06 23:23:00 - [8] I disagree, Victor. R/P/S is the single worst scourge of games. And it always has been. Why limit yourself to a stupidly simple model when you create a dynamic balance by working with math models and a far more dynmaic model of balance where each module is a tradeoff in some way, where form will follow from choices made setting up the ship? I don't see the need for any such symplistic cycle of ships, and in the main it does NOT hold, thankfully. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.07 00:02:00 - [9] Heh. This is Total Annihilation vs Starcraft. I'm on TA's side. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.07 18:28:00 - [10] Wrayeth, You cannot read. This is clear. REDUCED nos effectiveness against smaller ships, not REMOVED effectiveness. So the AF might hold you up for 30s rather than 20s. 1v1, that makes NO DIFFERENCE. You are unable to use light drones, which now REALLY hurt frigs. You are unable to use prescision missiles in the launchers you'd prefer to nos, and these REALLY hurt frigs. You claim you're there to get round frigs, but you keep making points about killing them. Consistancy more? *Frigs are AUTOMATICALLY specalist, BS can be specalist or generalist. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.07 18:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Pride NL There is a counter mod. Its called NOSFERATU as well. Fight fire with fire. Great! That works for other BS and HAC's. NOT for frigates who do not have the flexability in their setup to mount them. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.07 21:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Hephaesteus What Megadon said is pretty accurate IMHO. Loads of peeps think nos is fine myself included but you keep droning on about the same old rubbish and ignoring any other valid point. So what about mine? Stop *****ing, start READING. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.07 23:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Berrik Radhok What's next, frig pilots whining because they can't solo capital ships? Read. The. Thread. kthx. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."

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